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		<title>By: Gap Gen</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15769</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 12:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note that &quot;inflation&quot; only refers to the super-fast expansion at the start of the universe, rather than the slower expansion we see today.

As for the 2nd part, we think the expansion of the universe is accelerating, which is effectively what &quot;dark energy&quot; is - an extra energy term in the equations designed to make the observations fit the theory. So a Big Crunch is unlikely unless our theory is wrong, which is entirely possible, though we&#039;d have to explain why the theoretical fit to the data (with dark energy included) is so good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that &#8220;inflation&#8221; only refers to the super-fast expansion at the start of the universe, rather than the slower expansion we see today.</p>
<p>As for the 2nd part, we think the expansion of the universe is accelerating, which is effectively what &#8220;dark energy&#8221; is &#8211; an extra energy term in the equations designed to make the observations fit the theory. So a Big Crunch is unlikely unless our theory is wrong, which is entirely possible, though we&#8217;d have to explain why the theoretical fit to the data (with dark energy included) is so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Gap Gen</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15768</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 12:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I guess this is the thing about the big rip, eventually the expansion  overcomes the binding energy of the galaxy and the stars fly apart. Not that they&#039;ll still be burning by that point, I suppose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I guess this is the thing about the big rip, eventually the expansion  overcomes the binding energy of the galaxy and the stars fly apart. Not that they&#8217;ll still be burning by that point, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15762</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 13:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I need to go back and re-read your inflation post.  I didn’t really understand the magnitude of it, I guess.  I imagined it as more gradual; not so rapid that the light could be just now reaching us from “The Great Decoupling*”, which was incredibly early in the grand scheme of the universe.  It’s sad to know that chances are we won’t ever be admitted into the Intergalactic Federation, as it more than likely doesn’t exist anymore.

Damn you space.  Damn you for inflating us out of our greatest future-accomplishment!

On a more serious note: By your post above I guess it’s safe to assume that inflation has stopped, or at least slowed to the point of nearly stopping? Perhaps this is a good sign; an omen for those of us that naively hope for an endless cycle of Big Bang and “Big Crunch”.  I mean, even with the infinitesimally small odds, at least it gives me another shot at this incredible ride, right? Hell, I was here once, that’s for sure!

*I think that’s a much more exciting moniker.  You can use that around the office if you like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I need to go back and re-read your inflation post.  I didn’t really understand the magnitude of it, I guess.  I imagined it as more gradual; not so rapid that the light could be just now reaching us from “The Great Decoupling*”, which was incredibly early in the grand scheme of the universe.  It’s sad to know that chances are we won’t ever be admitted into the Intergalactic Federation, as it more than likely doesn’t exist anymore.</p>
<p>Damn you space.  Damn you for inflating us out of our greatest future-accomplishment!</p>
<p>On a more serious note: By your post above I guess it’s safe to assume that inflation has stopped, or at least slowed to the point of nearly stopping? Perhaps this is a good sign; an omen for those of us that naively hope for an endless cycle of Big Bang and “Big Crunch”.  I mean, even with the infinitesimally small odds, at least it gives me another shot at this incredible ride, right? Hell, I was here once, that’s for sure!</p>
<p>*I think that’s a much more exciting moniker.  You can use that around the office if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15761</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 12:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to talk about this next week, but yeah. The Hubble constant seems to increase the further out you go, so there&#039;s something called the Hubble volume which marks the point at which space is expanding faster than light can travel in the opposite direction, and so no light emitted from outside that volume will ever reach Earth.

(This is different from the observable universe in that the observable universe covers all light that has been emitted over the history of the universe. The Hubble volume on the other hand covers light that is emitted from objects *now*, and as such is about a third the size of the observable universe.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to talk about this next week, but yeah. The Hubble constant seems to increase the further out you go, so there&#8217;s something called the Hubble volume which marks the point at which space is expanding faster than light can travel in the opposite direction, and so no light emitted from outside that volume will ever reach Earth.</p>
<p>(This is different from the observable universe in that the observable universe covers all light that has been emitted over the history of the universe. The Hubble volume on the other hand covers light that is emitted from objects *now*, and as such is about a third the size of the observable universe.)</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksei Volchok</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aleksei Volchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 09:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve heard about this Big Rip before and it looks like the most absurd end-of-the-world scenario. If you an atheist you may believe that judgement day and archangels with trumpets is bollocks, you&#039;d probably imagine Sun exploding (but by that time we may colonize the universe or something so no big deal), or maybe something like a new big bang creating a new universe on place of other. But this Big Rip is as silly as you can get. Suddenly everything disintegrates, puff. Even atheist tend to believe life has some meaning to it, and that&#039;s why I think it&#039;s so hard to believe in this end of the universe scenario.

Also, if the universe is big enough, there should be a distance that you could never reach or see, right? The light that travels this distance would go with the same speed the distance is getting bigger. So there should be some theoretical size of universe beyond which we&#039;ll never would see anything, am I right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve heard about this Big Rip before and it looks like the most absurd end-of-the-world scenario. If you an atheist you may believe that judgement day and archangels with trumpets is bollocks, you&#8217;d probably imagine Sun exploding (but by that time we may colonize the universe or something so no big deal), or maybe something like a new big bang creating a new universe on place of other. But this Big Rip is as silly as you can get. Suddenly everything disintegrates, puff. Even atheist tend to believe life has some meaning to it, and that&#8217;s why I think it&#8217;s so hard to believe in this end of the universe scenario.</p>
<p>Also, if the universe is big enough, there should be a distance that you could never reach or see, right? The light that travels this distance would go with the same speed the distance is getting bigger. So there should be some theoretical size of universe beyond which we&#8217;ll never would see anything, am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15758</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 08:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your first point is an interesting one because of the accelerating expansion of the universe. Currently the four fundamental forces -- the glue keeping atoms and galaxies together, such as electromagnetism and gravity -- easily counteract the expansion of the universe, which is why galaxies, stars, planets and people are not being torn apart as the space beneath them expands. If the expansion continues to accelerate, though, there may come a time where this is no longer the case and things literally begin to get ripped apart; look up the Big Rip on wikipedia for the general apocalyptic idea behind this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip

(Note: the Big Rip is conjecture at the moment and is in no way a legit thing. It&#039;s just useful for illustrating how expansion could possibly grow out of control.)

As to your second point, the speed of light is a constant, and it&#039;s still a very large number. It will always govern all the processes that matter to us on human scales -- so in a billion years time subatomic processes and whatnot will still function exactly the same way as they do now. However when you look at things on a universal scale the speed of light could begin to pale into insignificance when compared to the speed of expansion of space, leading to the rather comical Big Rip scenario referred to above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first point is an interesting one because of the accelerating expansion of the universe. Currently the four fundamental forces &#8212; the glue keeping atoms and galaxies together, such as electromagnetism and gravity &#8212; easily counteract the expansion of the universe, which is why galaxies, stars, planets and people are not being torn apart as the space beneath them expands. If the expansion continues to accelerate, though, there may come a time where this is no longer the case and things literally begin to get ripped apart; look up the Big Rip on wikipedia for the general apocalyptic idea behind this. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip</a></p>
<p>(Note: the Big Rip is conjecture at the moment and is in no way a legit thing. It&#8217;s just useful for illustrating how expansion could possibly grow out of control.)</p>
<p>As to your second point, the speed of light is a constant, and it&#8217;s still a very large number. It will always govern all the processes that matter to us on human scales &#8212; so in a billion years time subatomic processes and whatnot will still function exactly the same way as they do now. However when you look at things on a universal scale the speed of light could begin to pale into insignificance when compared to the speed of expansion of space, leading to the rather comical Big Rip scenario referred to above.</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15757</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 08:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might do another post about this next week to round things off (especially with the whole looking back into earlier and earlier regions of the universe thing) but the quick answer is that it&#039;s possible for space to expand faster than light. During the first second of the universe&#039;s existence this is exactly what happened during inflation; to a hypothetical observer it would have appeared as though the things they were looking at were all suddenly disappearing as the rapid expansion during the inflation drove them beyond the observable horizon. Then things slowed down to a more sedate pace, and our observable horizon gradually started to move outwards as light from the areas that had been thrust out beyond it started to reach us again.

Fast forward to the present day, and we&#039;re just now &quot;rediscovering&quot; areas of the universe that we&#039;ve been out of touch with ever since that first second. This is how we can see back to (and possibly past) photon decoupling at the 300,000 year point; this happened *after* inflation, and so there are regions of the universe where it took place beyond our observable horizon -- so we were never part of those events in the first place. It&#039;s the light from those regions that is reaching us now and is forming the cosmic microwave background radiation.

This isn&#039;t the best explanation of a very counterintuitive concept, so do feel free to enquire further if you&#039;re still puzzled by it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might do another post about this next week to round things off (especially with the whole looking back into earlier and earlier regions of the universe thing) but the quick answer is that it&#8217;s possible for space to expand faster than light. During the first second of the universe&#8217;s existence this is exactly what happened during inflation; to a hypothetical observer it would have appeared as though the things they were looking at were all suddenly disappearing as the rapid expansion during the inflation drove them beyond the observable horizon. Then things slowed down to a more sedate pace, and our observable horizon gradually started to move outwards as light from the areas that had been thrust out beyond it started to reach us again.</p>
<p>Fast forward to the present day, and we&#8217;re just now &#8220;rediscovering&#8221; areas of the universe that we&#8217;ve been out of touch with ever since that first second. This is how we can see back to (and possibly past) photon decoupling at the 300,000 year point; this happened *after* inflation, and so there are regions of the universe where it took place beyond our observable horizon &#8212; so we were never part of those events in the first place. It&#8217;s the light from those regions that is reaching us now and is forming the cosmic microwave background radiation.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the best explanation of a very counterintuitive concept, so do feel free to enquire further if you&#8217;re still puzzled by it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15756</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 08:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to find a way to separate space from the galaxies within it in order to explain expansion. The grid idea is one that I intuitively understand, and it would probably work as long as you explained that the reason galaxies aren&#039;t expanding too is because they&#039;re gravitationally bound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to find a way to separate space from the galaxies within it in order to explain expansion. The grid idea is one that I intuitively understand, and it would probably work as long as you explained that the reason galaxies aren&#8217;t expanding too is because they&#8217;re gravitationally bound.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksei Volchok</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aleksei Volchok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About this space expansion thing... As far as I understand the distance between any two points is constantly (but slowly) multiplies. Does it affects even atomic length? I mean is every electron goes farther and farther from it&#039;s core? Or is it space expansion only covers macrophysics?

And so here goes even more mindblowing thing: if the first is right, how does it affect all those subatomic processesand powers? If the latter, is the speed of light becomes more insignificant each minute or does it scale with space?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About this space expansion thing&#8230; As far as I understand the distance between any two points is constantly (but slowly) multiplies. Does it affects even atomic length? I mean is every electron goes farther and farther from it&#8217;s core? Or is it space expansion only covers macrophysics?</p>
<p>And so here goes even more mindblowing thing: if the first is right, how does it affect all those subatomic processesand powers? If the latter, is the speed of light becomes more insignificant each minute or does it scale with space?</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-hubble-bubble/#comment-15754</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fascinating stuff.  Here&#039;s what always confuses me:

“…so peering back past that 300,000 year barrier is going to be impossible using our current observational methods…”

How can we &quot;peer beyond&quot; what has already happened? (Terrible analogy ahead) It’s a bit like saying: if the universe is an ocean, and we&#039;re a tiny plankton in the year 2013, we can develop a periscope powerful enough to see Magellan&#039;s voyage through the Pacific. I understand that much of the universe we “see” today isn’t actually there at all, given the length of time the light waves took to get to us, but how can you ever expect to &quot;see&quot; events that we* were presumably a part of when they happened (300,000 years after the big bang, for instance)?  I can’t wrap my head around that.

*By “we” I mean our particles and dust and such, not humans or our solar system or anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating stuff.  Here&#8217;s what always confuses me:</p>
<p>“…so peering back past that 300,000 year barrier is going to be impossible using our current observational methods…”</p>
<p>How can we &#8220;peer beyond&#8221; what has already happened? (Terrible analogy ahead) It’s a bit like saying: if the universe is an ocean, and we&#8217;re a tiny plankton in the year 2013, we can develop a periscope powerful enough to see Magellan&#8217;s voyage through the Pacific. I understand that much of the universe we “see” today isn’t actually there at all, given the length of time the light waves took to get to us, but how can you ever expect to &#8220;see&#8221; events that we* were presumably a part of when they happened (300,000 years after the big bang, for instance)?  I can’t wrap my head around that.</p>
<p>*By “we” I mean our particles and dust and such, not humans or our solar system or anything.</p>
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