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		<title>By: Porpentine (@aliendovecote)</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-912</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating. Just the idea of being trapped on the moon because something went wrong, how intensely horrifying. What flimsy, binary variables that mission rode on. I think I&#039;m all the more creeped out by the knowledge that I&#039;d still be alive if the legs broke, just stuck in this bleak, alien place waiting to die.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. Just the idea of being trapped on the moon because something went wrong, how intensely horrifying. What flimsy, binary variables that mission rode on. I think I&#8217;m all the more creeped out by the knowledge that I&#8217;d still be alive if the legs broke, just stuck in this bleak, alien place waiting to die.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandplasma</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-901</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still have hope because there are passionate people out there like Neil DeGrasse Tyson that continue to push for funding.  I liked the post but dont completely agree that space flight is dying.  With countries like China, Japan, and Russia pushing the envelope, I think the U.S will have no other choice but to compete and try to show its superiority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have hope because there are passionate people out there like Neil DeGrasse Tyson that continue to push for funding.  I liked the post but dont completely agree that space flight is dying.  With countries like China, Japan, and Russia pushing the envelope, I think the U.S will have no other choice but to compete and try to show its superiority.</p>
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		<title>By: The Value Of Spaceflight. &#187; The Scientific Gamer The Scientific Gamer</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Value Of Spaceflight. &#187; The Scientific Gamer The Scientific Gamer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you go back and read the comments on the Neil Armstrong post on Monday, you&#8217;ll see that Kenti and I got into a little kerfuffle [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you go back and read the comments on the Neil Armstrong post on Monday, you&#8217;ll see that Kenti and I got into a little kerfuffle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Janek</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-886</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Letter written in 1970 by NASA&#039;s associate director of science. Relevant: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html

Still holds true today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letter written in 1970 by NASA&#8217;s associate director of science. Relevant: <a href="http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html</a></p>
<p>Still holds true today.</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-884</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Society needs ideals and goals just as much as it needs welfare or schools or a national health service. What is the point in a society that simply exists for its own sake? There&#039;s not a huge amount separating us from bacteria in that case. You cannot fix the world&#039;s ills by throwing money at them, but perhaps you can give the people who are suffering some hope that it will all turn out okay in the long-term. You can say &quot;Well why not use the money to build a hospital&quot; to pretty much any cultural or scientific endeavour you don&#039;t like, because a hospital is a thing with immediately tangible outcomes whereas an art may not become recognised as a masterpiece until decades after it is created. Ultimately though it&#039;s an attitude born of exactly the same short-term thinking as that which cancelled Apollo: more things for us now, and screw the future.

(And of course spaceflight doesn&#039;t feel as groundbreaking as it did forty years ago; that&#039;s because we haven&#039;t been breaking any goddamn ground.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society needs ideals and goals just as much as it needs welfare or schools or a national health service. What is the point in a society that simply exists for its own sake? There&#8217;s not a huge amount separating us from bacteria in that case. You cannot fix the world&#8217;s ills by throwing money at them, but perhaps you can give the people who are suffering some hope that it will all turn out okay in the long-term. You can say &#8220;Well why not use the money to build a hospital&#8221; to pretty much any cultural or scientific endeavour you don&#8217;t like, because a hospital is a thing with immediately tangible outcomes whereas an art may not become recognised as a masterpiece until decades after it is created. Ultimately though it&#8217;s an attitude born of exactly the same short-term thinking as that which cancelled Apollo: more things for us now, and screw the future.</p>
<p>(And of course spaceflight doesn&#8217;t feel as groundbreaking as it did forty years ago; that&#8217;s because we haven&#8217;t been breaking any goddamn ground.)</p>
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		<title>By: innokenti</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-882</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think that our lauding of something like Apollo is largely culturally instilled. You ask people &quot;Should we have bothered with Apollo&quot; and some of the replies would be along the lines of &quot;Maybe, but could we have spent the money on people who need it, now?&quot;

I am very conscious of the need for research, investigation and achievement of that which appears to have no immediate or conceivable payoff, because we just don&#039;t know. That&#039;s incredibly important.

But at the same time we can also question whether something is necessary or worthwhile now. I don&#039;t think that spaceflight and the like is going to have such a &#039;glorious&#039; feel as it&#039;s had - but it&#039;ll all be back. Sometime.

At the moment everyone is trying to justify everything financially. Shoe-horning in some reason why in the next 3 years it&#039;ll change things and make things better. That&#039;s not great, but the ambition to do something beyond our reach is still pretty much what drives any pioneer anywhere. Maybe you can&#039;t see it because it&#039;s not in space, but like I say, that&#039;s a very obvious thing, give everything else a chance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that our lauding of something like Apollo is largely culturally instilled. You ask people &#8220;Should we have bothered with Apollo&#8221; and some of the replies would be along the lines of &#8220;Maybe, but could we have spent the money on people who need it, now?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am very conscious of the need for research, investigation and achievement of that which appears to have no immediate or conceivable payoff, because we just don&#8217;t know. That&#8217;s incredibly important.</p>
<p>But at the same time we can also question whether something is necessary or worthwhile now. I don&#8217;t think that spaceflight and the like is going to have such a &#8216;glorious&#8217; feel as it&#8217;s had &#8211; but it&#8217;ll all be back. Sometime.</p>
<p>At the moment everyone is trying to justify everything financially. Shoe-horning in some reason why in the next 3 years it&#8217;ll change things and make things better. That&#8217;s not great, but the ambition to do something beyond our reach is still pretty much what drives any pioneer anywhere. Maybe you can&#8217;t see it because it&#8217;s not in space, but like I say, that&#8217;s a very obvious thing, give everything else a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-881</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where is it refocused, though?

Also saying that &quot;the current realities curb it all a fair bit&quot; is kind of missing the point in the post. The point is that accepting that we can&#039;t do manned spaceflight because it&#039;s too hard or too expensive is accepting a lie. It is neither hard (as in, technologically hard) nor expensive, just risky and with no immediate payoff. That&#039;s no reason not to do it if astronauts like Armstrong can be found who are willing to shoulder the risk (and let&#039;s be honest, they&#039;d be queueing up at the fucking *door*), and Apollo directly proves that. 

I mean, you ask like the entire population of the planet the question &quot;Should we have bothered with Apollo?&quot; and I suspect you&#039;ll get back somewhere in the region of six billion resounding YESes. That is what matters here, not economics or propaganda or politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is it refocused, though?</p>
<p>Also saying that &#8220;the current realities curb it all a fair bit&#8221; is kind of missing the point in the post. The point is that accepting that we can&#8217;t do manned spaceflight because it&#8217;s too hard or too expensive is accepting a lie. It is neither hard (as in, technologically hard) nor expensive, just risky and with no immediate payoff. That&#8217;s no reason not to do it if astronauts like Armstrong can be found who are willing to shoulder the risk (and let&#8217;s be honest, they&#8217;d be queueing up at the fucking *door*), and Apollo directly proves that. </p>
<p>I mean, you ask like the entire population of the planet the question &#8220;Should we have bothered with Apollo?&#8221; and I suspect you&#8217;ll get back somewhere in the region of six billion resounding YESes. That is what matters here, not economics or propaganda or politics.</p>
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		<title>By: innokenti</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-878</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic article, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all quite as dramatic as the death of ambition.

I think the ambition is there, but the current realities curb it all a fair bit.

I dunno, I think growing up in the very tail end of the Soviet Union and whatnot, the whole space thing had long stopped being portrayed as something grand and groundbreaking - less Soviet Propaganda style and more &#039;a thing that happens and is normal&#039;. That attitude doesn&#039;t preclude ambition and reaching for the extremes of what we can achieve - it just becomes re-focused elsewhere. Spaceflight and the like is a grand thing easy to latch onto, but perhaps it&#039;s also too obvious?

Good point about the investment banking though... :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all quite as dramatic as the death of ambition.</p>
<p>I think the ambition is there, but the current realities curb it all a fair bit.</p>
<p>I dunno, I think growing up in the very tail end of the Soviet Union and whatnot, the whole space thing had long stopped being portrayed as something grand and groundbreaking &#8211; less Soviet Propaganda style and more &#8216;a thing that happens and is normal&#8217;. That attitude doesn&#8217;t preclude ambition and reaching for the extremes of what we can achieve &#8211; it just becomes re-focused elsewhere. Spaceflight and the like is a grand thing easy to latch onto, but perhaps it&#8217;s also too obvious?</p>
<p>Good point about the investment banking though&#8230; <img src='https://scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/the-death-of-ambition/#comment-875</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The nice thing about gravity is that you just need x velocity on y trajectory and it&#039;ll take care of the rest. And what gets me about that third picture is that you *can* get into lunar orbit on the small reserve of fuel carried in the ascent module; no bulky expensive multi-stage rockets required. Just a tiny little capsule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nice thing about gravity is that you just need x velocity on y trajectory and it&#8217;ll take care of the rest. And what gets me about that third picture is that you *can* get into lunar orbit on the small reserve of fuel carried in the ascent module; no bulky expensive multi-stage rockets required. Just a tiny little capsule.</p>
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		<title>By: Smurf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting.  There was a lot of stuff in this post I had no idea about.

Pictures like your third one here always make me miss a breath.  You don&#039;t realise quite how far away the moon is until you stand on it and turn round and see just how small Earth looks.  Seems like a very small target to aim for on the return journey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  There was a lot of stuff in this post I had no idea about.</p>
<p>Pictures like your third one here always make me miss a breath.  You don&#8217;t realise quite how far away the moon is until you stand on it and turn round and see just how small Earth looks.  Seems like a very small target to aim for on the return journey.</p>
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