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		<title>Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of my sanity, I’m just going to deal with this question which has been sitting in my inbox for the last two months. Joe asks What is your view on LFTR technology in general. What are the biggest obstacles holding it back? Does it have a real chance at being the number [&#8230;]</p><p>The post <a href="https://scientificgamer.com/liquid-fluoride-thorium-reactors/">Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors.</a> appeared first on <a href="https://scientificgamer.com">The Scientific Gamer</a>.</p>]]></description>
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<p><span style="text-align:justify;">For the sake of my sanity, I’m just going to deal with this question which has been sitting in my inbox for the last two months.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Joe</strong> asks</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">What is your view on LFTR technology in general. What are the biggest obstacles holding it back? Does it have a real chance at being the number one energy provider?</p>
<p>Since LFTR technology would allow smaller and lighter reactor housing would it be cost effective to put LFTR technology in space?</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span id="more-1861"></span>LFTR stands for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor">liquid fluoride thorium reactor</a>. LFTRs are an example of both generation IV reactors – in other words, future nuclear reactors which prioritise safety and reduction of waste products but which are still in the design/experimental phase – and molten salt reactors. MSRs, and by inference LFTRs, use a radically different design to current generation II/III pressurised water reactors: they are cooled by molten salt rather than water, and they can also use a molten fuel source. This has a number of potential advantages, but first we’ll deal with the how.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Molten salt is… well, it’s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt">molten salt</a>, is what it is. Very hot salt – up to 700<sup>o</sup>C &#8212; that has melted and is now a liquid.  Since it’s a liquid, it can be pumped around a reactor just like water in the pressurised water reactor design, but with a couple of key differences. First, because it’s molten at much higher temperatures than those at which water boils into steam, it consequently has a much lower vapour pressure as it flows around the reactor. Those steam explosions I was talking about that happen in pretty much <a href="http://scientificgamer.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/how-not-to-build-a-nuclear-reactor/">every single nuclear reactor disaster</a>? Those wouldn’t happen in a molten-salt cooled reactor because the salt isn’t under enough pressure to cause a catastrophic explosion – after all, if the pressure of the salt inside the reactor is near the atmospheric pressure outside the reactor, then it’s not going to have to do much to equalise in the event of a coolant breach and the bang it makes is going to be very, very small. The tradeoff is that you have to build your reactor to cope with a lot of high-temperature salt which is both hot and corrosive, but since steam explosions are such a big threat to reactors this is probably worth it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/fast-breeder.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1862" title="A diagram of a fast breeder reactor." src="http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/fast-breeder.gif" alt="" width="525" height="363" /></a><a href="http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/molten-salt.png"><br />
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<p style="text-align:justify;">The second thing about molten salt is that it’s much better at cooling reactor cores because it can <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_storage#Molten_salt_technology">absorb an absolute shitload of heat</a>. This means you need less coolant, which in turn means you can make your reactor smaller, which in turn means that molten salt reactors could potentially be small enough to power <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Reactor_Experiment">an aircraft</a> – or a spaceship. This is probably the primary attraction of the molten salt design, and it’s telling that it was first investigated as a method of nuclear propulsion for aircraft.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Now, as far as LFTR reactors in particular are concerned the reason they’re of interest is because they use the thorium fuel cycle to breed fissile U-233 out of fertile Th-232. The way this happens is a little complex and I don’t feel I have an adequate enough grasp of the process to attempt describing it here, but it’s similar to the way you can breed fissile Pu-239 out of fertile U-238 by bombarding it with fast neutrons. Heavy water reactors like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU">CANDU</a> design (which is basically a safer version of Chernobyl) do exactly this, generating additional power by using fast neutrons to trigger fission in U-238 and converting it to Pu-239, which itself can then fission to produce more power, but the CANDU design isn’t set up to primarily breed more fissile fuel. It’s just a useful byproduct. Breeder reactors could potentially be very useful in the future as they would allow us to get at the potential power contained within the 99.3% of natural uranium that happens to be the fertile U-238 isotope; however, at the moment it’s cheaper to just enrich the percentage of U-235 and generate power the old-fashioned way. That’s going to change in the future as the U-235 starts to run out, though.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Anyway, what’s this got to do with thorium? Thorium can also be converted into a fissile fuel – U-233 – but there’s about four times more thorium to be found in the Earth’s crust as uranium, so <em>potentially</em> thorium could provide us with power for just about as long as the human race survives. Additionally you don’t need fast neutrons to breed U-233 from thorium; you can use a regular <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_reactor">thermal reactor</a> design instead. In the case of the LFTR design the liquid fluoride is both the coolant <em>and</em> the core material, separated into three loops. The first loop is seeded with fertile thorium and the loop is structured so that as it passes through the reactor core it creates an artificial zone of critical mass, heating up the molten salt. The first loop dumps this heat by exchanging heat with the second loop, which contains ordinary non-radioactive molten salt, and which then transfers that heat to the third loop which is the usual water-steam-turbine one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/thoriumcyclenielsen.gif"><img class="aligncenter" title="Or I could just post this picture, I suppose." src="http://www.scientificgamer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/thoriumcyclenielsen.gif" alt="" width="580" height="367" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Thorium is attractive not only because there’s so much more of it than uranium, but because the harmful byproducts produced by the thorium cycle are, in theory, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lwrvslftr2.png">far less in quantity</a>. As for the advantages/disadvantages thing, you’re best off looking at Wikipedia’s summary of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor#Advantages">advantages and design challenges</a>, but keep in mind that this bears a few hallmarks of having been written by an advocate of LTFR technology so it may not be entirely free of bias. Anyway, you asked me what the biggest obstacles holding it back are, and I think by far the most significant ones are that nobody’s done any practical work on molten salt reactors since the 1960s. Nobody has <em>ever</em> built a working LFTR reactor. The theory and the physics behind it is all perfectly sound, but I suspect that the actual design and development process will throw up additional problems that require money to be overcome, and that this will render the LFTR energy generation process less economically viable to kickstart. It’s a good idea, but it’s a good idea in the same way that <a href="http://scientificgamer.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/volataire-as-applied-to-asteroid-mining/">mining the asteroids</a> is a good idea: it has the potential for huge returns, but it requires a significant investment that will not see results for decades which makes it rather unattractive in our current ultra-capitalist economy.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Oh, and would it be cost effective to put LTFRs in space? That’s an interesting question. You may have seen references to certain probes and spacecraft like the Voyagers and the Apollo lunar landers being nuclear-powered, but all this means is that they’re carrying <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator">radioactive thermoisotope generators</a> which generate power by converting heat from the natural decay of radioactive isotopes into electricity via thermocouples. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NERVA">Nuclear propelled rockets</a> have been investigated but nothing ever came of it; however that was because NERVA was intended to power spacecraft making repeated trips to the Moon or to Mars. Most spacecraft just go up to LEO or GEO and radioisotope generators are perfectly adequate for powering the more long-range stuff, but if we ever decided to do interplanetary travel in any kind of sustained fashion – like an interplanetary bulk hauler or something – then I think people would get interested in both NERVA and MSR/LTFR technology pretty damn quick.</p>
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