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		<title>By: innokenti</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/death-and-decay/#comment-399</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thinking about it further, I think it&#039;s not really just Science education, but the broader tenets that we try to (or actually, maybe not so much) to teach people. I think a lot of my critical reaction and faculties are more born out of what I learnt from History and Literature than Science. Rather, Science taught me some specifics and facts and methods, but History and Philosophy taught me a critical, evidence-based approach.

It&#039;s one of the aspects which annoys me in Bad Science because Ben does go out of his way to keep on telling us about awful Arts students who are rubbish at this. I imagine that they might be, proportionally, but the same critical and evidence-based values are no less a part of historical research or philosophical discussion - the broader community may place less overt value on them than the scientific one... but still.

So yeah, it&#039;s a broader approach as well that&#039;s partially failing where there is still perhaps more emphasis on accepting truths handed down rather than learning to understand those things and react critically to them.

Or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about it further, I think it&#8217;s not really just Science education, but the broader tenets that we try to (or actually, maybe not so much) to teach people. I think a lot of my critical reaction and faculties are more born out of what I learnt from History and Literature than Science. Rather, Science taught me some specifics and facts and methods, but History and Philosophy taught me a critical, evidence-based approach.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of the aspects which annoys me in Bad Science because Ben does go out of his way to keep on telling us about awful Arts students who are rubbish at this. I imagine that they might be, proportionally, but the same critical and evidence-based values are no less a part of historical research or philosophical discussion &#8211; the broader community may place less overt value on them than the scientific one&#8230; but still.</p>
<p>So yeah, it&#8217;s a broader approach as well that&#8217;s partially failing where there is still perhaps more emphasis on accepting truths handed down rather than learning to understand those things and react critically to them.</p>
<p>Or something.</p>
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		<title>By: innokenti</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/death-and-decay/#comment-398</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve done Bad Science and am aware of that. And that&#039;s all pretty bad stuff, but I don&#039;t think there is anything quite on the level of consuming radioactive materials (although e.g. the stuff about Aids in Africa and the &#039;alternative&#039; medicine involvement there is perhaps a slightly different issues).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve done Bad Science and am aware of that. And that&#8217;s all pretty bad stuff, but I don&#8217;t think there is anything quite on the level of consuming radioactive materials (although e.g. the stuff about Aids in Africa and the &#8216;alternative&#8217; medicine involvement there is perhaps a slightly different issues).</p>
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		<title>By: hentzau</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/death-and-decay/#comment-397</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t. We really, really don&#039;t. I get a horrible twitch in my right eye every time I walk past the alternative medicine clinic on the way to the train station. I flung the local newsletter across the room when I noticed they&#039;d given an entire page over to an &quot;accredited homeopathist&quot;. The state of science education in this country is appalling; because of the emphasis on learning by rote over encouraging deductive reasoning skills, we&#039;ve fostered a kind of cargo cult view of science where anything that *looks* vaguely scientific is automatically accepted as such. Read Ben Goldacre&#039;s Bad Science for a really in-depth look at how much abuse this allows on the medicine side of things.

Still, I doubt anything quite this stupid would happen these days, if only because snake oil salesmen have learned it&#039;s better to sell a product that does absolutely nothing rather than something that might potentially get them sued.

EDIT: I should mention that the vast majority of science teachers I&#039;ve met have been dedicated individuals who were doing their best with a shitty, shitty syllabus. There may be a bit of confirmation bias at work there (only a good teacher would ask the Outreach team to come and give them a talk) but on the whole it isn&#039;t their fault.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t. We really, really don&#8217;t. I get a horrible twitch in my right eye every time I walk past the alternative medicine clinic on the way to the train station. I flung the local newsletter across the room when I noticed they&#8217;d given an entire page over to an &#8220;accredited homeopathist&#8221;. The state of science education in this country is appalling; because of the emphasis on learning by rote over encouraging deductive reasoning skills, we&#8217;ve fostered a kind of cargo cult view of science where anything that *looks* vaguely scientific is automatically accepted as such. Read Ben Goldacre&#8217;s Bad Science for a really in-depth look at how much abuse this allows on the medicine side of things.</p>
<p>Still, I doubt anything quite this stupid would happen these days, if only because snake oil salesmen have learned it&#8217;s better to sell a product that does absolutely nothing rather than something that might potentially get them sued.</p>
<p>EDIT: I should mention that the vast majority of science teachers I&#8217;ve met have been dedicated individuals who were doing their best with a shitty, shitty syllabus. There may be a bit of confirmation bias at work there (only a good teacher would ask the Outreach team to come and give them a talk) but on the whole it isn&#8217;t their fault.</p>
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		<title>By: innokenti</title>
		<link>https://scientificgamer.com/death-and-decay/#comment-396</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yay for Warcraft 2 illustration!

Although we may not have shed any ignorance we do, I think, have a little more collective sensibility about such things. Nevertheless, do you think there is any danger of something similar happening in this day and age?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay for Warcraft 2 illustration!</p>
<p>Although we may not have shed any ignorance we do, I think, have a little more collective sensibility about such things. Nevertheless, do you think there is any danger of something similar happening in this day and age?</p>
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